Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
YaBB - Yet another Bulletin Board
   

Click here to order your supplies at www.shop4homebrew.co.uk

  HomeHelpSearchLoginRegister Shop  
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print
Damson or Plum wine (Read 204 times)
bendywendy
New Member
*
Offline


Harris Filters

Posts: 14
hull
Gender: male
Damson or Plum wine
Aug 20th, 2017 at 2:54pm
 
Hello all. Damson and plum wine.... Does the fruit have to de-stoned? Is the weight of fruit calculated with stones in or out? If stones are left in do they affect the wine? I've done plums before but didn't taste good. Advice appreciated. My favourites are Bramble and Elderberry and the two mixed. Got them sorted. Hic.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
goodolpete
Junior Member
**
Offline



Posts: 143
Milton Keynes
Gender: male
Re: Damson or Plum wine
Reply #1 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:04pm
 
I destone mine.
Weight with stones out.
I wouldn't imagine stones would affect the wine for the few weeks fermenting.
Can you post your recipe?
Bramble and elderberry are delicious together.
Try experimenting with oak chips and / or a vanilla pod.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
ohbeary
Wine Expert
*****
Offline


Drink problem?, I fall
over, s'not a problem!

Posts: 15515
Rosudgeon, Cornwall.
Gender: male
Re: Damson or Plum wine
Reply #2 - Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:32pm
 
BW, I de-stone like Pete as cracked stones can cause a bitter almond flavour, I not sure if the same applies to plums but cherry stones contain "amygdalin" a chemical that breaks down as cyanide in the body, you would however have to consume a considerable amount to become ill, and they affect the "fruit weight" so getting rid is preferred. Wink
PS cherry stones can get down the plughole and are a real nuisance to clear! Roll Eyes
Back to top
« Last Edit: Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:34pm by ohbeary »  

Eat drink and be ZZZzzzzzz
100000227922039  
IP Logged
 
bendywendy
New Member
*
Offline


Harris Filters

Posts: 14
hull
Gender: male
Re: Damson or Plum wine
Reply #3 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 11:17am
 
Cheers goodolpete and ohbeary. I'm finding de-stoneing damsons fiddley but will keep going. My general rule of thumb is 3 lb fruit to 3 pound of sugar. I always use wild fruit if possible. I boil my prepared fruit for 5 mins in half the water, let cool and add teaspoon of pectolase and citric acid per gallon/5lts. Next day I add sugar dissolved in remaining water. When cool enough I then add yeast and nutrient. I always start my yeast off in pint glass sugar solution.      
I have a good supply of elderberries and wait till they are very ripe. By the time i get home most of the berries have fallen off. Less fiddley than using a fork. 
End of bramble season and beginning of Elders so both get picked together. Makes a very nice wine.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
ohbeary
Wine Expert
*****
Offline


Drink problem?, I fall
over, s'not a problem!

Posts: 15515
Rosudgeon, Cornwall.
Gender: male
Re: Damson or Plum wine
Reply #4 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 11:02pm
 
Boiled for 5 mins, ok I can see where that will take the flavour profile, blueberries and blackcurrants always taste better cooked but I always cold process plums, mainly through habit. Roll Eyes
Recently picked 32lbs round black plums at Mothers, 26lb for wine, 6lbs for jam. Wink
Back to top
 

Eat drink and be ZZZzzzzzz
100000227922039  
IP Logged
 
Captain Reech
Full Member
***
Offline



Posts: 840
Derby
Gender: male
Re: Damson or Plum wine
Reply #5 - Aug 27th, 2017 at 11:17pm
 
ohbeary wrote on Aug 20th, 2017 at 6:32pm:
cherry stones contain "amygdalin" a chemical that breaks down as cyanide in the body


You are correct, almost all stone and top fruit will produce this result. Apple seeds can also, in concentration, cause problems.
Back to top
 

I didn't "Blow it up" I "Modified the way it works" OK?
 
IP Logged
 
ohbeary
Wine Expert
*****
Offline


Drink problem?, I fall
over, s'not a problem!

Posts: 15515
Rosudgeon, Cornwall.
Gender: male
Re: Damson or Plum wine
Reply #6 - Aug 28th, 2017 at 12:16am
 
The other very toxic problem can be with "ground water", I live in a tin and copper mining area, some "addits" produce "clean" water, others have very high concentrations of arsenic!! a dear elderly friend has two addits on her land/valley, one is clean and provides her house with water and the other would see you in the next world after two cups of tea. Wink
Apologies for going "off piste"  Grin Grin Grin
Back to top
 

Eat drink and be ZZZzzzzzz
100000227922039  
IP Logged
 
bendywendy
New Member
*
Offline


Harris Filters

Posts: 14
hull
Gender: male
Re: Damson or Plum wine
Reply #7 - Aug 28th, 2017 at 11:33am
 
Ohbeary.  I like your wine to jam ratio!!!!!!
I live in East Riding. The water is very clean but hard. Chalky.  ( Best water in the country. It's Yorkshire.!! )
Does flouride affect wines?
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
ohbeary
Wine Expert
*****
Offline


Drink problem?, I fall
over, s'not a problem!

Posts: 15515
Rosudgeon, Cornwall.
Gender: male
Re: Damson or Plum wine
Reply #8 - Aug 28th, 2017 at 10:58pm
 
BW, One can only eat so much jam. Wink
Fluoride can affect the taste but it is usually driven off during fermentation, to be extra safe you could leave the water overnight in a bucket covered with a cloth and it will escape to atmosphere but unless the concentration is very high I wouldn't worry about it. Smiley
Back to top
 

Eat drink and be ZZZzzzzzz
100000227922039  
IP Logged
 
Fermenting Tom
Forum Administrator
*****
Offline


I'll 'ave anoter glarsh
!!

Posts: 18511
Quarry Bank
Gender: male
Re: Damson or Plum wine
Reply #9 - Aug 30th, 2017 at 12:31am
 
I know it's a bit late joining this discussion-- my rule of thumb is--
               "fruit - always - cold fermentation",
that minimises pectin.
Damsons pick, remove stalks strain, discard mouldy, immerse in bowl, remove floating for jam,discard water, return to bucket just cover fruit with water, add 2 crushed campden, leave 24 hrs,strain discard water, hand de-stone, proceed with recipe.
Fermenting on stones as said, can introduce a "nutty/almond" flavour, detracting from the fruit flavour.
Wink Wink
F.T.
p.s. A superb wine with 2lb Elderberries to 3-4 lb Damsons, gives greater depth of colour and tannin, for a better wine, a handful of dark Rose petals, also helps bouquet.
Back to top
 

Trustee/Board--Dudley C V S = Hon. President--Parkinsons UK Dudley Branch =,
Chairman-- Stourbridge Sons of Rest = MRAWF Wine Judge =  Mary Stevens Bowls Club = Member Coeliac U.K.= Dudley WC = PMWBC
WWW Fermenting Tom James T.Keys fermentingtom  
IP Logged
 
bendywendy
New Member
*
Offline


Harris Filters

Posts: 14
hull
Gender: male
Re: Damson or Plum wine
Reply #10 - Sep 11th, 2017 at 9:45pm
 
Forgot to say thanks to all for advice. Coming along a treat.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1
Send Topic Print